Participatory Podasting: Waxxi Chat Room Discussion May 20, 2006
This page contains a transcript of the of the Waxxi chat room discussion (the so-called "hallway conversations") that went on simultaneous to the inaugural participatory podcast. Much of it consists of reactions to and comments on what was being spoken of in the podcast at the time. Therefore, much of it seems out of place and hard to follow. I provide it here, as is, purely for the sake of complete information.
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20 May, 10:15:15 PDT> teck: hello 466
20 May, 10:16:32 PDT> gabber466: Hello everyone!
20 May, 10:16:57 PDT> RobertScoble: Hello everyone, we're testing the system out now.
20 May, 10:17:35 PDT> teck: great!
20 May, 10:20:13 PDT> teck: how did everybody hear about this podcast?
20 May, 10:21:57 PDT> Bay Area: invite
20 May, 10:22:28 PDT> teck: i see
20 May, 10:24:09 PDT> ptvGuy: Hello
20 May, 10:24:22 PDT> Mordant: I just registered, but didn't receive the toll-free number and registration code.
20 May, 10:24:57 PDT> RobertScoble: I'll try to find out how you get a code to join us.
20 May, 10:24:58 PDT> radzio: hello
20 May, 10:25:01 PDT> Roland: Thanks, Robert!
20 May, 10:25:20 PDT> Roland: It's very good of you to participate in this event, under the circumstances.
20 May, 10:25:31 PDT> Roland: *appreciates it*
20 May, 10:26:00 PDT> Jeremiah Owyang: I'm on the call...
20 May, 10:26:26 PDT> ptvGuy: I'm back in.
20 May, 10:26:56 PDT> ptvGuy: Again dropped.
20 May, 10:27:39 PDT> RobertScoble: We'll be on in a few minutes.
20 May, 10:28:02 PDT> ptvGuy: I'm on hold for a moderator.
20 May, 10:28:04 PDT> Roland: waxxi.us people - I never received the toll-free number and confirmation code.
20 May, 10:28:24 PDT> Roland: I registered about 30mins ago.
20 May, 10:28:28 PDT> ptvGuy: I think that he called me Tracy.
20 May, 10:28:31 PDT> Roland: (planning in advance, heh)
20 May, 10:29:59 PDT> ptvGuy: Are we all on hold listening to elevator music or just me?
20 May, 10:30:39 PDT> RobertScoble: You should be on hold.
20 May, 10:30:58 PDT> ptvGuy: Okay, I've been dropped from the call twice.
20 May, 10:31:16 PDT> RobertScoble: We've been having a few troubles.
20 May, 10:31:26 PDT> RobertScoble: Just a couple of more minutes.
20 May, 10:31:31 PDT> Jeremiah Owyang: no worries, patience is a virtue
20 May, 10:31:33 PDT> ptvGuy: No problem
20 May, 10:31:36 PDT> RobertScoble: :-)
20 May, 10:31:54 PDT> ptvGuy: Inaugural technology.
20 May, 10:32:08 PDT> RobertScoble: Chat room seems to work well, though.
20 May, 10:32:29 PDT> RobertScoble: I need one of these on my blog.
20 May, 10:32:35 PDT> ptvGuy: Will the chat be published along with the podcast?
20 May, 10:32:43 PDT> RobertScoble: I'm not sure. Let me ask.
20 May, 10:33:12 PDT> ptvGuy: This is the first cht I've seen that's just open on the page.
20 May, 10:33:18 PDT> ptvGuy: chat
20 May, 10:33:23 PDT> teck: ptvGuy: if you click on the orange RSS icon at the top-right corner, you can basically get your own transcript
20 May, 10:33:23 PDT> RobertScoble: PTV: Yes.
20 May, 10:33:30 PDT> ptvGuy: Cool.
20 May, 10:33:37 PDT> Roland: It's not bad, for Webchat.
20 May, 10:33:49 PDT> Roland: *waiting for toll-free number and confirmation code*
20 May, 10:34:24 PDT> ptvGuy: How many takers out of the 800 did you get?
20 May, 10:34:32 PDT> Jeremiah Owyang: There's an RSS export that's cool
20 May, 10:35:00 PDT> ptvGuy: On the chat?
20 May, 10:35:08 PDT> Jeremiah Owyang: yeah see the feed icon?
20 May, 10:35:21 PDT> shel: hello all.
20 May, 10:35:23 PDT> ptvGuy: Oh, awesome.
20 May, 10:35:29 PDT> RobertScoble: Roland, did you register?
20 May, 10:35:32 PDT> Michelle: hey there
20 May, 10:35:42 PDT> RobertScoble: Register for the event?
20 May, 10:35:44 PDT> Roland: Yes - about 30 minutes ago.
20 May, 10:35:57 PDT> tracy: Hi everyone
20 May, 10:35:58 PDT> ptvGuy: Robert and Shel, cool.
20 May, 10:36:04 PDT> teck: hello tracy
20 May, 10:36:05 PDT> RobertScoble: Unfortunately they cut off the registration yesterday, sorry.
20 May, 10:36:10 PDT> Roland: NBD
20 May, 10:36:23 PDT> Roland: Thanks, anyways - I look forward to listening to the .mp3!
20 May, 10:36:32 PDT> Roland: *waves*
20 May, 10:36:34 PDT> tracy: one moment Roland
20 May, 10:36:38 PDT> ptvGuy: Stay in the chat, Roland.
20 May, 10:36:53 PDT> RobertScoble: 1-800-***-**** Code: ********#.
20 May, 10:37:08 PDT> RobertScoble: That would have gotten him in as a generic code.
20 May, 10:37:34 PDT> ptvGuy: I'd of stayed just for the chat.
20 May, 10:37:49 PDT> teck: tracy: Roland said he registered.. so perhaps you can send him the code via email
20 May, 10:37:59 PDT> RobertScoble: We're starting now.
20 May, 10:38:04 PDT> ptvGuy: Go.
20 May, 10:38:04 PDT> RobertScoble: Are you all hearing OK?
20 May, 10:38:05 PDT> Jeremiah Owyang: yup
20 May, 10:38:15 PDT> ptvGuy: I hear.
20 May, 10:38:23 PDT> Jeremiah Owyang: affirmative
20 May, 10:38:32 PDT> shel: thx, jeremiah
20 May, 10:38:50 PDT> RobertScoble: Press *1 to tell us a question.
20 May, 10:39:35 PDT> Jeremiah Owyang: robert is breaking up a bit....shel sounds very clear
20 May, 10:39:42 PDT> RobertScoble: ok.
20 May, 10:39:48 PDT> ptvGuy: Robert is staticy.
20 May, 10:39:55 PDT> RobertScoble: I'm not sure what to do about that.
20 May, 10:40:05 PDT> RobertScoble: I'll try to hold the phone closer to my mouth.
20 May, 10:40:18 PDT> RobertScoble: Unfortunately I'm at Shel's house with his phones.
20 May, 10:41:23 PDT> ptvGuy: Better, Robert.
20 May, 10:46:46 PDT> ptvGuy: Robert sounds better.
20 May, 10:47:05 PDT> shel: yeah. we swapped out handsets
20 May, 10:49:18 PDT> shel: hi other shel.
20 May, 10:49:37 PDT> Shel Holtz: hi, shel #1
20 May, 10:49:57 PDT> shel: KIM huyse is that you>
20 May, 10:50:19 PDT> shel: I'm a lousey one-handed typist.
20 May, 10:50:22 PDT> Frank Gruber: podcasting is a form of on-demand content
20 May, 10:50:23 PDT> Kim: no, kim young, sorry!
20 May, 10:50:34 PDT> gabigrn: For those of us that haven't had the pleasure of completing the book - can they take us through it and has anything changed?
20 May, 10:50:42 PDT> shel: Nice to meet you Kim Young!
20 May, 10:50:51 PDT> John: hello people
20 May, 10:51:26 PDT> ptvGuy: Thanks, guys.
20 May, 10:52:19 PDT> Michelle: Do you think it is important to see C-level management of F500 companies start their own blogs?
20 May, 10:52:25 PDT> Frank Gruber: I agree with you Shel ...it is an email to ALL
20 May, 10:53:44 PDT> tracy: Frank, join the conversation -- press *1 on your phone and let's hear your contribution!
20 May, 10:53:54 PDT> Kim: What do you think of aggregator models like Squidoo? Is there any benefit to starting a blog/lense there or doing stand alone with lense link. How that makes sense!
20 May, 10:54:14 PDT> John: What are the legal issues associated with a CEO blogging, esp. for a public company?
20 May, 10:54:31 PDT> Jeremiah Owyang: HAHAH
20 May, 10:54:46 PDT> Frank Gruber: Squidoo and others like it are good ways to reposition content
20 May, 10:55:06 PDT> Jeremiah Owyang: (laughing at Shel's reference to Midwest Sushi, not you John)
20 May, 10:55:32 PDT> John: heh... i thought there was some inside humor :)
20 May, 10:55:33 PDT> ptvGuy: I can't remember the last time I used a phone book.
20 May, 10:55:06 PDT> Jeremiah Owyang: (laughing at Shel's reference to Midwest Sushi, not you John)
20 May, 10:55:32 PDT> John: heh... i thought there was some inside humor :)
20 May, 10:55:33 PDT> ptvGuy: I can't remember the last time I used a phone book.
20 May, 10:59:49 PDT> RobertScoble: ptv: me neither!
20 May, 11:00:12 PDT> RobertScoble: ptv: now that I have always on Internet (even in Montana) I use online to find everyone.
20 May, 11:00:32 PDT> RobertScoble: I still use word-of-mouth a lot, though.
20 May, 11:00:39 PDT> ptvGuy: I did yesterday to call my kid's school around the corner.
20 May, 11:01:08 PDT> RobertScoble: How did I find a funeral home in Montana, a community I wasn't familiar with? Personal recommendation from community members. But, how did I get their phone number? Live.com.
20 May, 11:01:26 PDT> ptvGuy: Smartpages.com
20 May, 11:01:42 PDT> RobertScoble: PTV: yeah, sometimes you still need to use the phone book. In those situations I usually just call 411.
20 May, 11:02:21 PDT> RobertScoble: I'll get back to the question about C-level execs soon.
20 May, 11:03:11 PDT> ptvGuy: I remember thinking how weird it was when Tide got a website.
20 May, 11:03:16 PDT> gabber827: Your thoughts on the desire of people to create via blogs?
20 May, 11:03:21 PDT> tracy: great, I'll lead to that next Robert
20 May, 11:04:00 PDT> shel: i stand on my phone book to change light bulbs. It's a better platfrm than Naked Conversations.
20 May, 11:04:26 PDT> ptvGuy: Gates blog
20 May, 11:05:09 PDT> Jeremiah Owyang: breaking up bad
20 May, 11:05:12 PDT> John: static
20 May, 11:05:31 PDT> Jeremiah Owyang: one note
20 May, 11:05:33 PDT> John: bottom up blogging
20 May, 11:05:43 PDT> ptvGuy: This is where LIVE conversations go
20 May, 11:06:02 PDT> gabigrn: making it human
20 May, 11:07:05 PDT> Kim: being from dallas, i totally agree about cuban!! it would be awesome to hear from the coach, players, trainers, etc.
20 May, 11:07:24 PDT> shel: It's like a typo. Remember this is the first time this was ever done.
20 May, 11:07:53 PDT> John: but what if the onenote team started blogging about higher-level microsoft strategies? shouldn't bill gates be the one doing that?
20 May, 11:08:54 PDT> John: how about SEC liabilities?
20 May, 11:09:49 PDT> ptvGuy: That's the kind of stuff that could slip out in a live conversation like this
20 May, 11:10:03 PDT> ptvGuy: An unthinking moment
20 May, 11:10:13 PDT> John: what do you think of the Google blogger being fired for blogging? did they handle that correctly?
20 May, 11:11:37 PDT> ptvGuy: I blog about the stations I serve, but I always remember that they are my clients.
20 May, 11:12:15 PDT> John: there was the friendster fiasco
20 May, 11:13:54 PDT> Kim: from a comapany's standpoint, wouldn't you base if you do blogs and who will do them depend on your objectives, what you want to accomplish with the effort -- which i guess implies some kind of control
20 May, 11:14:24 PDT> Jeremiah Owyang: and not many fired in the past few months (
20 May, 11:14:26 PDT> Jeremiah Owyang: RUBEL
20 May, 11:15:31 PDT> Frank Gruber: how would you address F.U.D. of other professionals that worry about their online reps. For example, law students worried their blog will be used later against them.
20 May, 11:16:54 PDT> ptvGuy: Cool question
20 May, 11:17:07 PDT> tracy: yes
20 May, 11:17:22 PDT> John: where can you find the statistic?
20 May, 11:18:22 PDT> John: 80% with 10 comments > 10% with 10 comments ... isn't that the long tail of blogs?
20 May, 11:18:33 PDT> John: i mean 10% with 100 comments
20 May, 11:18:37 PDT> ptvGuy: Some of it has to do with the passion of the post
20 May, 11:20:06 PDT> gabigrn: this is true - the thought process that goes into deciding what to blog about is not unlike the same lesson that teenagers are needing to learn about what to post on their myspace.
20 May, 11:20:50 PDT> ptvGuy: I also wanted to ask about the recent phenomenon of blogs being left in Wills and trusts and how a person or business would treat a blog as an asset.
20 May, 11:22:18 PDT> Frank Gruber: shoutwire is another digg-like service
20 May, 11:23:29 PDT> Frank Gruber: have you looked at Sphere for blog or live search?
20 May, 11:23:57 PDT> Frank Gruber: it doesn't only use links to rank authority
20 May, 11:23:57 PDT> ptvGuy: Wills came up in WordPress forums.
20 May, 11:24:33 PDT> Jeremiah Owyang: the blog will NOT stop...it will be findable forever...
20 May, 11:24:45 PDT> ptvGuy: A blog memorial
20 May, 11:24:52 PDT> Jeremiah Owyang: blogorial?
20 May, 11:24:55 PDT> Frank Gruber: true
20 May, 11:25:16 PDT> ptvGuy: The Way Back Mchine
20 May, 11:25:22 PDT> John: i just read about a blog backup service
20 May, 11:25:31 PDT> Frank Gruber: RSS may help
20 May, 11:25:44 PDT> Frank Gruber: you may be able to keep an XML file of all your posts
20 May, 11:26:04 PDT> John: http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/05/13/back-up-your-blog/
20 May, 11:26:49 PDT> Frank Gruber: when is Microsoft going to enter into blog search? :)
20 May, 11:27:13 PDT> Frank Gruber: or sphere for that matter
20 May, 11:33:04 PDT> ptvGuy: Waxxi
20 May, 11:33:46 PDT> Jeremiah Owyang: Question: will there be another book between Shel and Robert?
20 May, 11:34:48 PDT> ptvGuy: What about trying to make money from a blog? Even PBS has started adding Google Ads.
20 May, 11:35:34 PDT> ptvGuy: RSS can go through your My Google page rather than email.
20 May, 11:35:50 PDT> Shel Holtz: Jeff Jarvis says books are dead. He blogged that books are too long because they need to be long to justify publishing the book, and can't be updated. I don't agree, but there ya go...
20 May, 11:37:01 PDT> Frank Gruber: books still have a place
20 May, 11:37:03 PDT> ptvGuy: Naked Gun II???
20 May, 11:37:09 PDT> Frank Gruber: just like newspapers do too
20 May, 11:37:55 PDT> Frank Gruber: you could take the get real approach by 37signals...offer a pdf online
20 May, 11:38:40 PDT> Frank Gruber: you need a movie then
20 May, 11:39:24 PDT> Frank Gruber: online-2-print
20 May, 11:39:42 PDT> Shel Holtz: I have 2 friends working for Blurb, both very excited about it...
20 May, 11:40:02 PDT> Frank Gruber: i think blurb is a great idea
20 May, 11:40:15 PDT> John: anybody seen a book from blurb yet?
20 May, 11:40:18 PDT> Frank Gruber: there you go ... virtual real estate
20 May, 11:41:02 PDT> Shel Holtz: Jarvis' item:
20 May, 11:41:03 PDT> Shel Holtz: http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/05/19/the-book-is-dead-long-live-the-book/
20 May, 11:41:50 PDT> John: so maybe books should be free
20 May, 11:42:02 PDT> ptvGuy: Blogs are fre
20 May, 11:42:18 PDT> John: We the Media was free online
20 May, 11:43:16 PDT> RobertScoble: John: So was ClueTrain.
20 May, 11:43:23 PDT> John: oh right
20 May, 11:43:31 PDT> RobertScoble: And it still sold tons.
20 May, 11:44:16 PDT> Frank Gruber: Old Media is tied too much to paper...make too much money off the ads still
20 May, 11:45:08 PDT> Frank Gruber: hard to get off the free money in paper to push harder online with it
20 May, 11:45:12 PDT> ptvGuy: Thoughts on blog journalism
20 May, 11:45:25 PDT> Frank Gruber: sounds like you do get it
20 May, 11:46:31 PDT> ptvGuy: I'll write it for $60
20 May, 11:47:02 PDT> Frank Gruber: he is now the authority on treo
20 May, 11:47:11 PDT> Frank Gruber: that is the power of the blogosphere
20 May, 11:47:23 PDT> Frank Gruber: TechCrunch is a similar story
20 May, 11:47:25 PDT> John: do you think blog content will start trending towards topics that are more 'profitable' in click-thrus?
20 May, 11:47:40 PDT> RobertScoble: John: it already has, somewhat.
20 May, 11:47:56 PDT> RobertScoble: But there are plenty of counter examples, which makes me happy.
20 May, 11:48:07 PDT> RobertScoble: Only a percentage of people are in this for the money.
20 May, 11:48:57 PDT> ptvGuy: Paying attention, interesting.
20 May, 11:49:40 PDT> Frank Gruber: here is more on attention from Syndicate: http://www.somewhatfrank.com/2006/05/attention_discu.html
20 May, 11:50:35 PDT> ptvGuy: Spam would be long gone if it didn't work.
20 May, 11:53:10 PDT> ptvGuy: Same problem with me because I blog about web design and call it anal coding.
20 May, 11:53:16 PDT> Jeremiah Owyang: It's about Relatinoship marketing, Community Marketing, not about Top Down Marketing and forceful selling
20 May, 11:53:31 PDT> ptvGuy: I get weird search keywords coming to my blog.
20 May, 11:53:44 PDT> RobertScoble: Jeremiah, I totally agree.
20 May, 11:54:37 PDT> Frank Gruber: why not go video with recipes?
20 May, 11:54:46 PDT> Frank Gruber: vlog it
20 May, 11:54:56 PDT> ptvGuy: WGBH is doing video chef
20 May, 11:55:12 PDT> Frank Gruber: that is passive but i think it works
20 May, 11:55:13 PDT> ptvGuy: Quick chef tips
20 May, 11:57:13 PDT> gabigrn: which podcast platforms i.e., itunes, etc. are most important to be distributed on?
20 May, 11:57:28 PDT> Frank Gruber: make them simple to understand and digest
20 May, 11:57:53 PDT> Frank Gruber: RSS or Atom should be called something else...so people get it
20 May, 11:57:57 PDT> Frank Gruber: that is one example
20 May, 11:58:02 PDT> John: i agree
20 May, 11:58:22 PDT> ptvGuy: I have the hardest time explaining RSS to station executives.
20 May, 11:58:25 PDT> Frank Gruber: it is wiring
20 May, 11:58:47 PDT> John: RSS and Atom are protocol names... doesn't say what they do at all
20 May, 11:58:48 PDT> ptvGuy: Syndication they understand
20 May, 11:58:48 PDT> Frank Gruber: exactly ... it is a channel of on demand content
20 May, 11:59:23 PDT> John: yes, 'Syndicate' is more understandable for the rest of the world
20 May, 11:59:48 PDT> Jeremiah Owyang: or "Feeds"
20 May, 11:58:22 PDT> ptvGuy: I have the hardest time explaining RSS to station executives.
20 May, 11:58:25 PDT> Frank Gruber: it is wiring
20 May, 11:58:47 PDT> John: RSS and Atom are protocol names... doesn't say what they do at all
20 May, 11:58:48 PDT> ptvGuy: Syndication they understand
20 May, 11:58:48 PDT> Frank Gruber: exactly ... it is a channel of on demand content
20 May, 11:59:23 PDT> John: yes, 'Syndicate' is more understandable for the rest of the world
20 May, 11:59:48 PDT> Jeremiah Owyang: or "Feeds"
20 May, 12:00:43 PDT> John: is the photo company www.smugmug.com?
20 May, 12:00:48 PDT> Frank Gruber: I usually try and run things thru the "Paulette Test" ....if my mother Paulette can get it when I explain it then it is easy enough to understand to go mainstream
20 May, 12:01:04 PDT> Jeremiah Owyang: and GOOGLE IMAGES
20 May, 12:01:06 PDT> Frank Gruber: :)
20 May, 12:01:34 PDT> ptvGuy: I like the "Paulette Test"
20 May, 12:01:50 PDT> ptvGuy: Same with Google Video
20 May, 12:01:53 PDT> John: there should be a consulting firm made up of non-tech savvy moms to test new technologies
20 May, 12:02:17 PDT> ptvGuy: My mom is so there.
20 May, 12:02:27 PDT> Kim: Have you read Alvin Toffler's new book, "Revolutionary Wealth" and the prosumer concept and the “third job” concept —the unnoticed work we do without pay for some of the biggest companies. I think interactive, community marketing is big part of
20 May, 12:03:01 PDT> ptvGuy: Cool, Kim.
20 May, 12:03:01 PDT> Jim Co.: Om's concluding remarks at mesh Toronto conference this week: "1. Web 2.0 is not technology but a new way of thinking - "humanize the process" -- Scoble humanized Microsoft. 2. The intelligence of blogs lies in the Comments." Your thoughts??
20 May, 12:03:41 PDT> Kim: ptvGuy: are you at PBS annual meeting in Orlando right now?
20 May, 12:03:54 PDT> ptvGuy: No, not at the Showcase
20 May, 12:04:06 PDT> ptvGuy: I work independant.
20 May, 12:04:12 PDT> Jeremiah Owyang: I Took Show Notes:
20 May, 12:04:13 PDT> Jeremiah Owyang: http://jeremiahthewebprophet.blogspot.com/2006_05_01_jeremiahthewebprophet_archive.html#114814829483043886
20 May, 12:05:12 PDT> Frank Gruber: me too
20 May, 12:06:00 PDT> ptvGuy: I have to blog. People around me don't understand what I do and talking about it makes their eyes glaze over.
20 May, 12:06:35 PDT> Frank Gruber: very nice Jeremiah...i'll post too and link to them soon
20 May, 12:06:48 PDT> tracy: thanks Jeremiah and Frank
20 May, 12:07:05 PDT> Jim Co.: that was a very hot discussion at mesh re character blogs...
20 May, 12:07:12 PDT> ptvGuy: I was going to wait till we were actually done.
20 May, 12:07:28 PDT> Frank Gruber: Dwight from the Office is a great example of a character blog http://blogs.nbc.com/office/
20 May, 12:04:06 PDT> ptvGuy: I work independant.
20 May, 12:04:12 PDT> Jeremiah Owyang: I Took Show Notes:
20 May, 12:04:13 PDT> Jeremiah Owyang: http://jeremiahthewebprophet.blogspot.com/2006_05_01_jeremiahthewebprophet_archive.html#114814829483043886
20 May, 12:05:12 PDT> Frank Gruber: me too
20 May, 12:06:00 PDT> ptvGuy: I have to blog. People around me don't understand what I do and talking about it makes their eyes glaze over.
20 May, 12:06:35 PDT> Frank Gruber: very nice Jeremiah...i'll post too and link to them soon
20 May, 12:06:48 PDT> tracy: thanks Jeremiah and Frank
20 May, 12:07:05 PDT> Jim Co.: that was a very hot discussion at mesh re character blogs...
20 May, 12:07:12 PDT> ptvGuy: I was going to wait till we were actually done.
20 May, 12:07:28 PDT> Frank Gruber: Dwight from the Office is a great example of a character blog http://blogs.nbc.com/office/
20 May, 12:08:02 PDT> Frank Gruber: Mazada had one
20 May, 12:08:37 PDT> ptvGuy: Darth blogs
20 May, 12:09:17 PDT> Frank Gruber: Lincoln Fry Blog is still alive though: http://lincolnfry.typepad.com/blog/
20 May, 12:09:27 PDT> tracy: thanks Robert as well
20 May, 12:10:37 PDT> Frank Gruber: it is real
20 May, 12:13:37 PDT> ptvGuy: There's also broadband penetration
20 May, 12:13:51 PDT> Frank Gruber: blogs are word of mouth on steroids since there are permalinks and anyone can reposition and refer to that link
20 May, 12:14:27 PDT> Frank Gruber: we are doing it right now
20 May, 12:14:30 PDT> Frank Gruber: with Waxxi
20 May, 12:14:39 PDT> tracy: yes
20 May, 12:14:50 PDT> gabigrn: and it's not edited
20 May, 12:15:05 PDT> ptvGuy: What about bloggers as journalists
20 May, 12:15:34 PDT> Frank Gruber: right...which sometimes catches up with me...i cannot spell if my life depended on it :) humanized
20 May, 12:15:55 PDT> RobertScoble: PTV: I'll try to get to that.
20 May, 12:16:12 PDT> ptvGuy: All Web 2.0 is is just making it useful to nongeeks
20 May, 12:16:41 PDT> Shel Holtz: I think it's a handy label. What else would you call the read-write Web that includes social media AND Ajax-like applications?
20 May, 12:16:41 PDT> Frank Gruber: a shift in power so to speak
20 May, 12:16:53 PDT> tracy: good point, Shel H
20 May, 12:17:02 PDT> tracy: there has to be a label
20 May, 12:17:08 PDT> RobertScoble: gabigrn: yeah, not edited makes it not done by committees, which makes it more believeable and, more importantly, makes it more likely to be conversational.
20 May, 12:17:15 PDT> RobertScoble: It's hard to have a conversation with a committee.
20 May, 12:17:22 PDT> RobertScoble: It's easy to have a conversation with a single person.
20 May, 12:17:40 PDT> ptvGuy: Recent political conventions have issued credentials to bloggers
20 May, 12:17:52 PDT> gabigrn: agreed!
20 May, 12:19:17 PDT> RobertScoble: This is good stuff, thanks Tracy for hosting it!
20 May, 12:19:32 PDT> ptvGuy: At what point does a commentator become a journalist?
20 May, 12:19:45 PDT> gabigrn: Matt York, the Publisher and Founder of Videomaker Magazine felt this way - re: The RodneyKing example - felt it media in the hands of the people changes the world
20 May, 12:19:49 PDT> Kim: while the u.s. media is braindead for the most part, there is not substitute for good quality investigative journalism, which is way different than People magazine journalism -- like a lot of blogs
20 May, 12:19:54 PDT> Frank Gruber: Thank you Robert and Shel for taking the time to have this interactive podcast (conversation) today.
20 May, 12:20:04 PDT> John: thanks Robert and Shel
20 May, 12:20:06 PDT> ptvGuy: Thanks, everyone
20 May, 12:20:11 PDT> Jeremiah Owyang: my fingers hurt
20 May, 12:20:15 PDT> gabber933: Thanks, that was a great conversation.
20 May, 12:20:36 PDT> Frank Gruber: one sec
20 May, 12:20:43 PDT> John: tracy?
20 May, 12:20:44 PDT> Jeremiah Owyang: bye
20 May, 12:20:46 PDT> ptvGuy: By
20 May, 12:20:47 PDT> Frank Gruber: bye
20 May, 12:20:48 PDT> Jim Co.: bye
20 May, 12:20:48 PDT> gabigrn: thanks
20 May, 12:20:55 PDT> Shel Holtz: bye guys, thanks
20 May, 12:21:04 PDT> ptvGuy: That was great, guys.
20 May, 12:21:25 PDT> John: real good stuff
20 May, 12:21:34 PDT> ptvGuy: Blogging it now.
20 May, 12:22:04 PDT> gabber933: just gave my 2cents blog...http://mplayground.blogspot.com
20 May, 12:23:14 PDT> gabigrn: could clearly spawn into more discussions, journalism, advertising revenue models, the long tail of blogs/podcasts, bottom up blogging, etc.
20 May, 12:23:47 PDT> ptvGuy: Explaining blogging to execs
20 May, 12:24:59 PDT> gabigrn: You should write your second book - with one half to professionals/parents and the other half (upside down) for their kids, making the most of myspace, pitfalls, etc.
20 May, 12:26:12 PDT> ptvGuy: I've been putting together an online video for public broadcasting websites to distribute to local schools about Internet safety for kids.
20 May, 12:27:04 PDT> Michelle: PTVguy - have you started a blog?
20 May, 12:27:20 PDT> ptvGuy: http://www.ptvguy.com/
20 May, 12:27:36 PDT> ptvGuy: I'm the only station web developer I know of that has.
20 May, 12:27:57 PDT> Michelle: I know a lot of parents who are oblivous to that and it would be nice to see some sort of info to distribute
20 May, 12:28:13 PDT> Michelle: have you spoken to a lot of parents?
20 May, 12:28:34 PDT> ptvGuy: Not just parents, but also teachers, librarians, school administration.
20 May, 12:28:47 PDT> RobertScoble: Good stuff, thanks, I gotta run!
20 May, 12:28:55 PDT> ptvGuy: Bye, Robert.
20 May, 12:28:59 PDT> ptvGuy: Thanks
20 May, 12:29:09 PDT> Michelle: thanks, that was great!
20 May, 12:29:48 PDT> Michelle: PTVguy - that's great!
20 May, 12:29:55 PDT> ptvGuy: Bye.
20 May, 12:31:25 PDT> ptvGuy: Dang, any info on where people who participated in this podcast are located like how global.
20 May, 12:33:16 PDT> Michelle: I am interested in that too. PTV guy, I am on your chat lline as wlel
20 May, 12:33:35 PDT> ptvGuy: Okay, thought you left.
20 May, 12:33:58 PDT> ptvGuy: I'm trying to blog this for public broadcasting producers to start thinking about this
20 May, 12:34:38 PDT> ptvGuy: I'd love to see public radio or even Frontline doing a global discussion
20 May, 12:35:57 PDT> Michelle: yup, taking all of this great tech and using it for public good is the way to go.
20 May, 12:36:39 PDT> gabigrn: Yes - I'd like to see the POSITIVE nature of this environment, web 2.0, etc. be discussed. Not just the exploitive horror stories, i.e. My Space
20 May, 12:37:39 PDT> ptvGuy: Just left a phone message for tracy, but I don't know when she'll get it.
20 May, 12:39:25 PDT> Michelle: Yup. I haven't see a lot of non-profits blogging
20 May, 12:40:01 PDT> ptvGuy: Andy Carvin blogged about the backlash of MySpace and all that on his fist post at Learning.now. http://www.pbs.org/teachersource/learning.now/2006/05/welcome_to_learningnow_enjoy_i_1.html
20 May, 12:40:16 PDT> gabigrn: Thanks!
20 May, 12:41:37 PDT> ptvGuy: Mark glaser blogs for PBS about the whole blogging and other media things going on: http://www.pbs.org/mediashift/
20 May, 12:42:15 PDT> ptvGuy: Public Broadcasting has been slowly working its way online.
20 May, 12:42:41 PDT> ptvGuy: Public Radio still has many of the most popular podcasts out there.
20 May, 12:42:55 PDT> Michelle: I know the CBC is incorporating it slowly as well.
20 May, 12:43:01 PDT> Michelle: Canadian Broadcasting Corp
20 May, 12:43:24 PDT> Michelle: I think it is the unbiased content.
20 May, 12:44:03 PDT> ptvGuy: My blog is aimed at getting the individual little stations across the country to move more toward the Internet.
20 May, 12:44:47 PDT> Frank Gruber: as in an online video format?
20 May, 12:45:10 PDT> ptvGuy: Video, audio, RSS.
20 May, 12:46:01 PDT> gabigrn: Thank so much for putting this together, motivating, captivating - excellent! Look forward to more! :)
20 May, 12:46:15 PDT> ptvGuy: One station I do in Southern Oregon has a bunch of great short art pieces and local history pieces that would be useful to people all over.
20 May, 12:48:12 PDT> ptvGuy: Also, local stations are in a position to take local issues global
20 May, 12:49:19 PDT> ptvGuy: The bottom line always comes back to how that helps the stations with their very serious funding issues.
20 May, 12:50:20 PDT> ptvGuy: I always get asked whether they'll get more money or members from this.
20 May, 12:45:10 PDT> ptvGuy: Video, audio, RSS.
20 May, 12:46:01 PDT> gabigrn: Thank so much for putting this together, motivating, captivating - excellent! Look forward to more! :)
20 May, 12:46:15 PDT> ptvGuy: One station I do in Southern Oregon has a bunch of great short art pieces and local history pieces that would be useful to people all over.
20 May, 12:48:12 PDT> ptvGuy: Also, local stations are in a position to take local issues global
20 May, 12:49:19 PDT> ptvGuy: The bottom line always comes back to how that helps the stations with their very serious funding issues.
20 May, 12:50:20 PDT> ptvGuy: I always get asked whether they'll get more money or members from this.
20 May, 13:07:07 PDT> tracy: thanks, everyone for helping make this happen...
20 May, 13:07:26 PDT> ptvGuy: Tracy, quick question
20 May, 13:07:53 PDT> ptvGuy: I called and asked how global this conversation was.
20 May, 13:09:01 PDT> tracy: we had callers from several countries, however there may have been a challenge with 1) time and 2) language
20 May, 13:09:14 PDT> tracy: Off the cuff at least: Ireland, UK, China, US
20 May, 13:09:27 PDT> ptvGuy: Awesome, thanks.
20 May, 13:09:27 PDT> tracy: but I will post more detail shortly
20 May, 13:09:30 PDT> tracy: thank you!
20 May, 13:09:41 PDT> ptvGuy: Where will the podcast itself be posted.
20 May, 13:37:20 PDT> gabber282: Great outline review Jeremiah
20 May, 13:38:36 PDT> MikeSansone: I look forward to listening to the podcast and sharing it. Sounds like it was a great event/
20 May, 13:46:16 PDT> ptvGuy: It was but I'm still hunting a direct link to the podcast.